SOLUTION: Would you help me figure out this problem? I seem to mess up on signs. This is not coming out to be a perfect square, so I must have done somthing wrong. Solving by quadratic fo

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Question 409319: Would you help me figure out this problem? I seem to mess up on signs. This is not coming out to be a perfect square, so I must have done somthing wrong.
Solving by quadratic formula -b sqrt (b^2-4ac)/(2a)
(3n-1)^2+2=18
(3n-1)^2+2-18-18
(3n-1)^2-18=0
3n^2+1+2-18=0
3n^2-(-15)=0 Did not see a b, so b is 1, right?
-1 sqrt ((1^2-4(3)(-15))/(2(3))
-1 sqrt sqrt (1-(-180)/(6)
-1 sqrt 181 I do not know what to do here, would you show me?

Answer by richard1234(7193) About Me  (Show Source):
You can put this solution on YOUR website!
The discriminant does not have to be a perfect square. Also, you expanded %283n-1%29%5E2 incorrectly. We have

%283n-1%29%5E2+%2B+2+=+18 Expand first.

%289n%5E2+-+6n+%2B+1%29+%2B+2+=+18 Gather up constant terms, move them to one side

9n%5E2+-+6n+-+15+=+0

For simplicity, I'll divide both sides by 3.

3n%5E2+-+2n+-+5+=+0 Here, we have a = 3, b = -2, c = -5 (also, if there is no x term, b is 0, not 1). By the quadratic formula,

n+=+%282+%2B-+sqrt%284+-+4%28-15%29%29%29%2F6+=+%282+%2B-+8%29%2F6 = -1 or 5/3. Here, the discriminant turned out to be a perfect square, but it doesn't have to be the case. In fact, the discriminant doesn't even have to be nonnegative, since you can have nonreal roots as well.