SOLUTION: Please help me solve this simultaneous equation: log x base 3 = y = log (2x-1) base 9 and another one: log (x+y) = 0 2 log x = log (y+1)

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Question 141333: Please help me solve this simultaneous equation:
log x base 3 = y = log (2x-1) base 9
and another one:
log (x+y) = 0
2 log x = log (y+1)

Answer by Edwin McCravy(20055) About Me  (Show Source):
You can put this solution on YOUR website!
Please help me solve this simultaneous equation:
log%283%2Cx%29=y=log%289%2C%282x-1%29%29

Write two separate equations:

y=log%283%2Cx%29
y=log%289%2C%282x-1%29%29

Use this principle to rewrite each: 
                A=log%28B%2CC%29 can be rewritten as C=B%5EA

Rewriting the first:
x=3%5Ey

Rewriting the second:
2x-1=9%5Ey

Now rewrite 9 as %283%2A3%29

2x-1=%283%2A3%29%5Ey

or, multiplying exponents:

2x-1=%283%5Ey%29%283%5Ey%29

So now we have this system:

2x-1=%283%5Ey%29%283%5Ey%29
x=3%5Ey

Using the second, we can substitute
x for 3%5Ey in the first:

2x-1=%28x%29%28x%29

2x-1=x%5E2

Get 0 on the left

0=x%5E2-2x%2B1

Factor the right side:

0=%28x-1%29%28x-1%29

Using the zero factor principle,

x-1=0 gives x=1
x-1=0 gives x=1

So there is only one value for x,
which is 1

Substitute 1 for x in x=3%5Ey

1=3%5Ey

Now we use the rule:
            Any number raised to the zero power, 
            except zero itself, equals 1

Thus y=0

and the solution is x=1, y=0

Let's check:

log%283%2Cx%29=y=log%289%2C%282x-1%29%29
log%283%2C%281%29%29=0=log%289%2C%282%281%29-1%29%29
log%283%2C%281%29%29=0=log%289%2C%282-1%29%29
log%283%2C%281%29%29=0=log%289%2C%281%29%29
log%283%2C%281%29%29=0 can be rewritten as 3%5E0=1 which is true.
log%289%2C%281%29%29=0 can be rewritten as 9%5E0=1 which is also true.

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and another one:

log%28%28x%2By%29%29+=+0
2%2Alog%28x%29+=+log+%28%28y%2B1%29%29

When no base is written, the base 10 is understood:

log%2810%2C%28x%2By%29%29+=+0
2%2Alog%2810%2C%28x%29%29+=+log%28+10%2C%28y%2B1%29+%29

We can rewrite the first using the rule:
         log%28B%2CA%29=C can be rewritten as A=B%5EC
         
log%2810%2C%28x%2By%29%29+=+0
becomes
x%2By+=+10%5E0
x%2By=1

We can use this rule on the left side of the second eq:
                      A%2Alog%28B%2C%28C%29%29=log%28B%2C%28C%5EA%29%29

2%2Alog%2810%2C%28x%29%29+=+log%28+10%2C%28y%2B1%29+%29
becomes
log%2810%2C%28x%5E2%29%29+=+log%28+10%2C%28y%2B1%29+%29

Now we use the principle: 
                log%28B%2CA%29=log%28B%2CC%29 can be rewritten A=C

x%5E2=y%2B1

So we have the system of ewquations:

x%2By=1
x%5E2=y%2B1
          
Can you solve that system of equations by substitution?
If not post again asking how.

That last system of equations has two ordered pairs 
of solutions:

(x,y)= (1,0) and (x,y) = (-2,3)

However we must check them, because sometimes a solution
to our final equations is not a solution to the original
equation:

Checking (x,y)= (1,0) in the first equation:

log%2810%2C%281%2B0%29%29+=+0
log%2810%2C%281%29%29+=+0
10%5E0=1
1=1

Checking (x,y)= (1,0) in the second equation:

2%2Alog%2810%2C%281%29%29+=+log%28+10%2C%280%2B1%29+%29

2%2Alog%2810%2C1%29+=+log%28+10%2C%280%2B1%29+%29
2%2Alog%2810%2C1%29+=+log%28+10%2C%281%29+%29
Since log%2810%2C1%29=0
2%2A0=0
0=0

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Checking (x,y)= (-2,3) in the first equation:

log%2810%2C%28-2%2B3%29%29+=+0
log%2810%2C%281%29%29+=+0
10%5E0=1
1=1

Checking (x,y)= (-2,3) in the second equation:

2%2Alog%2810%2C%28-2%29%29+=+log%28+10%2C%283-2%29+%29

We can stop here because the first term is 
undefined because the logarithm of a negative 
number is not defined (except in certain 
advanced mathematics, but never in
ordinary algebra)

So there is but one solution, (x,y)= (1,0)

Edwin