SOLUTION: if y = sin (t) , x = ln (t) , then ,(d ^2 y)/(dx ^2)=... when (x = π)

Algebra ->  Complex Numbers Imaginary Numbers Solvers and Lesson -> SOLUTION: if y = sin (t) , x = ln (t) , then ,(d ^2 y)/(dx ^2)=... when (x = π)      Log On


   



Question 1208213: if y = sin (t) , x = ln (t) , then ,(d ^2 y)/(dx ^2)=... when (x = π)
Found 3 solutions by math_tutor2020, ikleyn, mccravyedwin:
Answer by math_tutor2020(3817) About Me  (Show Source):
You can put this solution on YOUR website!

x = ln(t)
t = e^x
y = sin(t)
y = sin(e^x)

First Derivative using Chain Rule.
y = sin(e^x)
dy/dx = cos(e^x)*d/dx[ e^x ]
dy/dx = cos(e^x)*e^x

Second Derivative using Product Rule and Chain Rule.
dy/dx = cos(e^x)*e^x
(d^2y)/(dx^2) = -sin(e^x)*e^x*e^x + cos(e^x)*e^x
(d^2y)/(dx^2) = e^x * ( cos(e^x) - sin(e^x)*e^x )

Evaluate at x = pi
(d^2y)/(dx^2) = e^x * ( cos(e^x) - sin(e^x)*e^x )
(d^2y)/(dx^2) = e^pi * ( cos(e^pi) - sin(e^pi)*e^pi )
(d^2y)/(dx^2) = 479.215377
The decimal value is approximate.
The calculator must be set to radian mode.

Answer by ikleyn(52914) About Me  (Show Source):
You can put this solution on YOUR website!
.
if y = sin (t) , x = ln (t) , then ,(d ^2 y)/(dx ^2)=... when (x = π)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

If  x = ln(t),  then  

    t = e%5Ex,      (1)

where "e" is the base of natural logarithms.


Therefore, in this problem, after making substitution (1), we have

    y = sin(e^x),     (2)

i.e. function y is expressed as the composition of function sine and exponent.


So, we apply the formula for the derivative of a composite function and find 
first derivative of y with respect to x

    %28dy%29%2Fdx%29 = cos%28e%5Ex%29%2A%28%28d%28e%5Ex%29%29%2F%28dx%29%29 = cos%28e%5Ex%29%2Ae%5Ex.    (3)


Then we find second derivative as the derivative of (3)

    d^2 y
   ------- (x) = -sin%28e%5Ex%29%2Ae%5Ex%2Ae%5Ex + cos%28e%5Ex%29%2Ae%5Ex = -sin%28e%5Ex%29%2Ae%5E%282x%29 + cos%28e%5Ex%29%2Ae%5Ex.
    d^2 x


Now we substitute x = pi to get

    d^2 y
   ------- %28pi%29 = -sin%28e%5Epi%29%2Ae%5E%282pi%29 + cos%28e%5Epi%29%2Ae%5Epi.
    d^2 x


To get the value, use in calculations approximate values e = 2.71828, pi = 3.14159.


    d^2 y
   ------- %28pi%29 = -sin%282.71828%5E3.14159%29%2A2.71828%5E%282%2A3.14159%29 + cos%282.71828%5E3.14159%29%2A2.71828%5E3.14159.
    d^2 x


With high precision online calculator WolframAlpha

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=e%5Epi*cos%28e%5Epi%29-e%5E%282*pi%29*sin%28e%5Epi%29

the answer is this approximate value  479.215377365591689133.

Solved.

In this calculations, high accuracy regarding decimals is not required;
making correct formulas and showing understanding is just enough.



Answer by mccravyedwin(409) About Me  (Show Source):
You can put this solution on YOUR website!
y%22%22=%22%22sin%28t%29

dy%2Fdx%22%22=%22%22cos%28t%29%2Aexpr%28dt%2Fdx%29

x%22%22=%22%22ln%28t%29

dx%2Fdt%22%22=%22%221%2Ft so 

dt%2Fdx%22%22=%22%22t

dy%2Fdx%22%22=%22%22cos%28t%29%2At

d%5E2y%2Fdx%5E2%22%22=%22%22cos%28t%29%2Aexpr%28dt%2Fdx%29+%2B+t%28-sin%28t%29%2Aexpr%28dt%2Fdx%29%29

d%5E2y%2Fdx%5E2%22%22=%22%22cos%28t%29%2At+%2B+t%28-sin%28t%29%2At%29

d%5E2y%2Fdx%5E2%22%22=%22%22t%2Acos%28t%29-t%5E2sin%28t%29%5E%22%22%29

Substitute x+=+pi

x%22%22=%22%22ln%28t%29

pi%22%22=%22%22ln%28t%29

e%5Epi%22%22=%22%22e%5Eln%28t%29

e%5Epi%22%22=%22%22t

d%5E2y%2Fdx%5E2%22%22=%22%22e%5Epi%2Acos%28e%5Epi%29-%28e%5Epi%29%5E2%2Asin%28e%5Epi%29 when x=pi

d%5E2y%2Fdx%5E2%22%22=%22%22e%5Epi%2Acos%28e%5Epi%29-e%5E%282pi%29%2Asin%28e%5Epi%29 when x=pi

Approximately 479.2153774

Edwin