SOLUTION: Let a and b be the roots of x^2 + 7x - 4 = 0. Find (a + 3)/(b + 3) + (b + 3)/(a + 3).

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Question 1209123: Let a and b be the roots of x^2 + 7x - 4 = 0. Find (a + 3)/(b + 3) + (b + 3)/(a + 3).
Found 2 solutions by math_tutor2020, greenestamps:
Answer by math_tutor2020(3816) About Me  (Show Source):
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Answer: -33/16


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Explanation

I'll use p,q in place of a,b
This is because a,b,c are the standard coefficients of the quadratic template ax%5E2%2Bbx%2Bc+=+0.
In the case of x^2+7x-4 = 0 we have a = 1, b = 7, c = -4.

Instead of computing %28a+%2B+3%29%2F%28b+%2B+3%29+%2B+%28b+%2B+3%29%2F%28a+%2B+3%29 the expression I'll evaluate is %28p+%2B+3%29%2F%28q+%2B+3%29+%2B+%28q+%2B+3%29%2F%28p+%2B+3%29

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I'll take a slight detour for a moment.

From the quadratic version of Vieta's Formulas, we know that:
p+q = -b/a
p*q = c/a
When plugging a = 1, b = 7, and c = -4, we get
p+q = -b/a = -7/1 = -7
p*q = c/a = -4/1 = -4

In short,
p+q = -7
p*q = -4
Let's call these equation (1) and equation (2) to be used later.

Then note the following
%28p%2Bq%29%5E2+=+p%5E2%2B2pq%2Bq%5E2

p%5E2%2Bq%5E2+=+%28p%2Bq%29%5E2-2pq

p%5E2%2Bq%5E2+=+%28-7%29%5E2-2%28-4%29 Applying equations (1) and (2)

p%5E2%2Bq%5E2+=+57 Let's call this equation (3)


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Let's return to %28p+%2B+3%29%2F%28q+%2B+3%29+%2B+%28q+%2B+3%29%2F%28p+%2B+3%29
We'll combine the fractions.
Recall we need the LCD to do so.

%28p+%2B+3%29%2F%28q+%2B+3%29+%2B+%28q+%2B+3%29%2F%28p+%2B+3%29

=

=

= %28p%5E2%2B6p%2B9%2Bq%5E2%2B6q%2B9%29%2F%28pq%2B3p%2B3q%2B9%29

= %28p%5E2%2Bq%5E2%2B6%28p%2Bq%29%2B18%29%2F%28pq%2B3%28p%2Bq%29%2B9%29

=

= Apply equations (1) through (3)

= %2857%2B6%28-7%29%2B18%29%2F%28-4%2B3%28-7%29%2B9%29

= 33%2F%28-16%29

= -33%2F16

Therefore,
%28p+%2B+3%29%2F%28q+%2B+3%29+%2B+%28q+%2B+3%29%2F%28p+%2B+3%29+=+-33%2F16
where p,q are the roots of x%5E2%2B7x-4=0

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To verify, you can use the quadratic formula to solve x%5E2%2B7x-4=0
You should get p+=+%28-7%2Bsqrt%2865%29%29%2F2 and q+=+%28-7-sqrt%2865%29%29%2F2 as the two roots.

Then plug each value into %28p+%2B+3%29%2F%28q+%2B+3%29+%2B+%28q+%2B+3%29%2F%28p+%2B+3%29 and simplify.

I used GeoGebra to verify the answer.
Here's the link to that calculation
https://www.geogebra.org/calculator/fwzwpynj
Let me know if you have any questions.

Answer by greenestamps(13198) About Me  (Show Source):
You can put this solution on YOUR website!


Vieta's Theorem tells us that, if a and b are the roots of x^2+7x-4=0, then...

sum of roots = a+b = -7
product of roots = ab = -4

Manipulate the given expression %28a%2B3%29%2F%28b%2B3%29%2B%28b%2B3%29%2F%28a%2B3%29 to write it entirely in terms of (a+b), (ab), and constants.

%28a%2B3%29%2F%28b%2B3%29%2B%28b%2B3%29%2F%28a%2B3%29

%28%28a%2B3%29%5E2%2B%28b%2B3%29%5E2%29%2F%28%28a%2B3%29%28b%2B3%29%29

%28a%5E2%2B6a%2B9%2Bb%5E2%2B6b%2B9%29%2F%28ab%2B3a%2B3b%2B9%29

%28a%5E2%2B2ab%2Bb%5E2-2ab%2B6a%2B6b%2B18%29%2F%28ab%2B3a%2B3b%2B9%29

%28%28a%2Bb%29%5E2-2%28ab%29%2B6%28a%2Bb%29%2B18%29%2F%28%28ab%29%2B3%28a%2Bb%29%2B9%29

%28%28-7%29%5E2-2%28-4%29%2B6%28-7%29%2B18%29%2F%28%28-4%29%2B3%28-7%29%2B9%29

%2849%2B8-42%2B18%29%2F%28-4-21%2B9%29

%2833%29%2F%28-16%29

ANSWER: -33/16

Note this solution makes use of an identity that is useful in solving many algebraic problems: a%5E2%2Bb%5E2=%28a%2Bb%29%5E2-2ab