SOLUTION: If a, b, c are odd integers, then the equation {{{ ax^2+bx+c=0 }}} has no FRACTION solution. I know how to prove, if it said integer solution, but to prove that theres no fract

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Question 1017072: If a, b, c are odd integers, then the equation +ax%5E2%2Bbx%2Bc=0+ has no FRACTION solution.
I know how to prove, if it said integer solution, but to prove that theres no fraction solution, it seems a little hard for me.
Im really sorry if its the wrong section
Thanks~!

Found 2 solutions by ikleyn, richard1234:
Answer by ikleyn(52798) About Me  (Show Source):
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If a, b, c are odd integers, then the equation +ax%5E2%2Bbx%2Bc=0+ has no FRACTION solution.
I know how to prove, if it said integer solution, but to prove that theres no fraction solution, it seems a little hard for me.
Im really sorry if its the wrong section
Thanks~!
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Assume the equation ax%5E2%2Bbx%2Bc = 0 with odd integer coefficients a, b an c has the solution, 
which is a rational fraction p%2Fq with integer p and q. 

We can assume that all the common divisors of p and q are just canceled in the fraction p%2Fq, 
so that p and q are relatively primes integer numbers. In particular, p and q are not both multiples of 2 simultaneously.

Then substitute the fraction p%2Fq into the equation.

You will get a%2A%28p%2Fq%29%5E2+%2B+b%2A%28p%2Fq%29+%2B+c = 0.

Multiply both sides by q%5E2 to rid off the denominators. You will get

a%2Ap%5E2+%2B+b%2Apq+%2B+c%2Aq%5E2 = 0.   (1)

Now, if p is odd, then q can not be multiple of 2, otherwise you easily get a contradiction due to equation (1).

Similarly, if q is odd, then p can not be multiple of 2, otherwise you easily get a contradiction due to equation (1).

Thus both p and q must be odd. 

Then the equation (1) has three odd addends that sum up to zero, which is impossible.

This contradiction completes the proof.


Answer by richard1234(7193) About Me  (Show Source):
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You probably mean *rational* solution (since "fraction" is somewhat ambiguous).

The roots of the equation are . It suffices to prove that cannot be a perfect square, otherwise the solutions would be rational.

If is a perfect square, then where a, b, c are odd integers and n is an integer. Note that n is odd, since b^2 is odd and 4ac is even.

Here, we use a little modular arithmetic. The right hand side must leave a remainder of 4 when divided by 8, since a and c are odd. However, all of the odd squares leave a remainder of 1 when divided by 8, meaning that their difference is a multiple of 8. Since the remainders upon division by 8 are not equal, the expressions and cannot possibly be equal, and there is no solution in odd integers a,b,c. Therefore cannot be a perfect square, no rational solution.

In modular arithmetic terms, we say that and .