SOLUTION: What is the fourth positive integer N such that the product of any two increased by 1 of the numbers 3,8,21,N is a square Please email answer to your jsriskan@gmail.com Thanks

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Question 1185809: What is the fourth positive integer N such that the product of any two increased by 1 of the numbers 3,8,21,N is a square
Please email answer to your jsriskan@gmail.com
Thanks

Found 2 solutions by Edwin McCravy, greenestamps:
Answer by Edwin McCravy(20056)   (Show Source): You can put this solution on YOUR website!
The products of two numbers among 3,8,21 are 24,63,168.
None of those products increased by 3,8, or 21 are squares.
So those products 24,63,168 must depend upon adding N to them to
give a square sum. Therefore, if there is any solution to the problem:

24+N = a2 for some positive integer a.
63+N = b2 for some positive integer b.
168+N = c2 for some positive integer c.

Thus N = a2-24 = b2-63 = c2-168

That only has one solution, a=5, b=8, and c=13, which makes N=1

However, that means the product 21N is 21. But, no matter which of these:
3,8,21,1 we add to the product 21 gives a square for a sum.

Thus there is no possible positive integer N meeting the conditions
that the product of any two increased by 1 of the numbers 3,8,21,N is a square.

This proves there is no solution. Could there be a typo, perhaps in the number
21?

Edwin

Answer by greenestamps(13200)   (Show Source): You can put this solution on YOUR website!


I am guessing that the other tutor misinterpreted the problem because of the awkward way it was stated.

Your statement:
What is the fourth positive integer N such that the product of any two increased by 1 of the numbers 3,8,21,N is a square

I believe, for clarification, that the intended statement of the problems should be this:
What is the fourth positive integer N such that the product of any two of the numbers 3,8,21,N, increased by 1, is a square

If that is the intended meaning of the problem, then the given conditions are satisfied:
3*8+1=25 = 5^2
3*21+1=64 = 8^2
8*21+1=169 = 13^2
If that is what the problem was intended to say, then re-post....



I note that the numbers involved in the problem are 3, 5, 8, 13, and 21, which are successive numbers in the Fibonacci sequence; so I suspect the answer might be found in the Fibonacci sequence. But I haven't found it.

55 ALMOST works:
21*55+1=1156=34^2
8*55+1=441 = 21^2
but 3*55+1=166 is not a perfect square....


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