i have to factori used the a-c metod but there was nothing in common for -180 and 18 so i used the gcf method and divided by 2 so i got and i still could not find anything in common for -45 and 9. LOL. You just didn't know when to stop! factors just as you had it: It doesn't factor further, because as you said, there are no two positive integers with product 45 and difference 9. But you DID factor it, because taking out a common factor IS factoring. You just thought it had to factor further. Incidentally, I noticed you tried the a-c method first. When you have a trinomial, don't try the a-c method first. Instead look for a common factor first, and only when there isn't a common factor should you try the a-c method. Edwin