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The groups of 3 persons can be formed from 12 persons by = = 220 ways (helicopter committee).
The groups of 5 persons can be formed from 12 persons by = = 792 ways (Glider committee).
If no other restrictions, then these two committees can be formed by . = 220*792 = 174240 ways.
From this number, we must subtract the number of 3-member committees and 5-member committees that contain Rocco as one common members.
For 3-member committees, the number of such committees is = = 11*5 = 55.
For 5-member committees, the number of such committees is = = 330.
Therefore, the ANSWER to the problem's question is
. - . = 174240 - 55*330 = 147015 ways.