means "the exponent to which we must raise 'b' to get 'a'" That's why It's 2 because 2 is the exponent to which we must raise 5 to get 25. Your problem says in words: 8 raised to the exponent to which 8 must be raised to get 19. When you do whatever it is necessary to do in order to accomplish a task, you accomplish the task, right? So when you do to 8 what you must do to 8 to get 19, then you get 19. Answer: 19. Try to think through those words. It's tricky wording, but it's a case of this: "When you do what you have to do in order to get X, then you get X." Edwin