Pick the first guy 4 ways. For each of those 4 ways, there are 3 ways left to pick the 2nd guy. Thats 4*3=12 ways to pick the first 2 guys. For each of those 12 ways, there 2 ways left to pick the 3rd guy. Thats 4*3*2=24 ways to pick the first 3 guys. Then there is just 1 way to pick the 4th. Answer 4*3*2*1 = 4! = 24 Edwin