If the 13 pupils are A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J,K,L,M First consider the three groups to be Group A of 4, Group B of 5, and Group C of 4. Choose the pupils for Group A: That's 13 pupils choose 4, or 13C4 Choose the pupils for Group B: That's 9 remaining pupils choose 5, or 9C5 Choose the pupils for Group C: That's 4 remaining pupils choose 4, or 4C4 That would be (13C4)(9C4)(4C4) = (715)(126)(1) = 90090 if such groupings as these 2: Group A = {C,G,I,M}, Group B = {B,D,E,J,L}, Group C ={A,F,H,K} and Group A = {A,F,H,K}, Group B = {B,D,E,J,L}, Group C ={C,G,I,M} were distinguishable (with Groups A and C swapped). But they probably aren't, so we will divide 90090 by 2 and get Answer = 45045. Edwin