The probability that the 1st roll is a 4 is, the 1st term The probability that the 1st roll is not a 4 and the 2nd one is a 4 is , the 2nd term The probability that the 1st 2 rolls are not 4's and the 3rd one is a 4 is , the 3rd term The probability that the 1st 3 rolls are not 4's and the 4th one is a 4 is , the 4th term ... The probability that the 1st x-1 rolls are not 4's and the xth one is a 4 is , the xth term So Notice that theoretically (mathematically) it could take you a billion rolls, or a million years, [lol] to roll your first 4. [if you had an extremely stubborn die!!!] The sum of all values of f(x) is an infinite series and the sum of the infinite series is: where a1 = first term = 1/6, and r = 5/6 Edwin