No, you're right about the number of books. The answer is just 6. Here's why. The books of each discipline are NOT ordered, However the shelves ARE ordered (top. middle, lower) We have some engineering books, some math books, and some chemistry books. You are right that it doesn't matter how many of each, so the 5,3, and 4 have nothing to do with the problem. They're just to throw you off. So the answer is just 3! or 6. Here are the 6 ways 1 2 3 4 5 6 ------------------------------------------ top shelf 5E 5E 3M 3M 4C 4C ------------------------------------------ middle shelf 3M 4C 5E 4C 5E 3M ------------------------------------------ lower shelf 4C 3M 4C 5E 3M 5E ------------------------------------------ Edwin