Remember C stands for "Collecting" and P stands for "Positioning". Also C stands for "Combinations" and P stands for "Permutations". So ask this question: Q: After selecting the 5 people, are we only COLLECTING them, or are we POSITIONING them? A: Since "president, vice president, secretary, treasurer, and historian" are POSITIONS, we are POSITIONING them. So we use permutations. So the notation is: 30 members, POSITION 5 and the notation is 30P5 or P(30,5) or 30P5 or, depending on which notation your teacher uses. Formula: Start with 30 and use 5 factors, each factor 1 less than the previous one: Solution: 30×29×28×27×26 = 17100720 Edwin