The determinant formula: The area of the triangle whose vertices are (x1,y1),(x2,y2), (x3,y3) is given by this formula:You can put the points in in any order as long as you take the absolute value of the determinant: (-1,3) (-2,0) (4,1) Do you know how to expand (i.e., evaluate) a determinant? If not post again, asking how. The value of the determinant is 17 so Edwin